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- TidBITS#227/23-May-94
- =====================
-
- Apple does TV set-top boxes, Fred Showker does Macworld
- Washington, and Global Village drops prices on its popular
- TelePort and PowerPort modems. Last week's article on
- advertising to overseas Mac users spawned many useful
- comments, and for Newton users, how would you like to
- read TidBITS on the Newt? All this, more details on AOL,
- the new PowerBooks, and yet another industry merger.
-
- This issue of TidBITS sponsored in part by:
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- Makers of hard drives, tape drives, memory, and accessories.
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-
- Copyright 1990-1994 Adam & Tonya Engst. Details at end of issue.
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- --------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Topics:
- MailBITS/23-May-94
- Handheld TidBITS
- Apples and TV Oranges?
- TelePort Prices Drop
- International Vendor Comments
- Fred Does Macworld Washington
- Reviews/23-May-94
-
- [Archived as /info-mac/per/tb/tidbits-227.etx; 30K]
-
-
- MailBITS/23-May-94
- ------------------
- Sorry for the slight delay on this issue - we were out of town
- visiting family and couldn't face putting out the issue late at
- night after dining in the airplane's sumptuous surroundings and
- enjoying the scintillating entertainment. And if you believe
- that... [ACE]
-
-
- **The PowerBook 500 series** and two new PowerBook Duo models, all
- sporting 68LC040 processors, reached dealer shelves last week as
- predicted in TidBITS #222_. The specifics are essentially as
- described in that article. Details of note include the fact that
- the row of function keys are only on the 500-series models, not
- the Duos; the Trackpad pointing device on the 500-series machines
- has a single button below, rather than one top and bottom; and the
- modems shipping with the modem-equipped 500-series models are
- manufactured by Global Village. These PowerPort/Mercury modems are
- also available separately; Apple's bundled version lacks Global
- Village's OCR (optical character recognition) software and has an
- Apple one-year, rather than Global Village five-year, warranty.
- [MHA]
-
-
- **AC Adapters for PowerBook Duos** may all look alike, but they're
- not all the same. Apple just introduced a new unit, with item
- number M4174LL/B, which works with the new Duo 280 and 280c
- models, as well as all previous models; it replaces M2781LL/A,
- introduced earlier this month, which also works with the new and
- old models. The M4174LL/A adapter works only with the Duo 210,
- 230, 250, and 270c models. The new item number for the adapter
- that works with all Duos was probably adopted in order to avoid
- confusion. Nice try. [MHA]
-
-
- **SuperMac and Radius** announced plans to merge in an $80.5
- million stock swap. The combined company will have revenues of
- $340 million, and in standard merger propaganda, said that they
- intended to market and support all major products from both
- companies. Since SuperMac bought E-Machines a while back, it seems
- that the video hardware market is suffering the same implosion
- that the software market has recently. Sigh. [ACE]
-
-
- **Performa users** can go ahead and install System Update 3.0 on
- their System 7.1 equipped Macintosh Performas. A helpful project
- manager within Apple's Performa division confirmed for us that the
- update has been approved for Performa models running System 7.1P,
- 7.1P1, 7.1P2, 7.1P3, 7.1P4, 7.1P5 and 7.1P6. The update is not
- designed for use with System 7.0.1 or its Performa equivalent, so
- Performa 200 and 400 owners who haven't updated their system
- software should not install System Update 3.0. [MHA]
-
-
- **America Online via the Internet** is indeed much faster if you
- have a direct connection to the Internet, and some have reported
- faster connections even over modems with SLIP and PPP. However,
- bugs remain, so beware that a dropped connection may result in
- your account being charged for 20 minutes until it times out. To
- formally apply for the beta test on America Online, use keyword
- TCP and fill out the online application. Also, I was wrong about
- using other Telnet tools (despite the fact that the America Online
- software lets you select other tools), but Lonnie Abelbeck, author
- of VersaTerm, distributed a CCL script for using the VersaTerm
- Telnet tool on comp.sys.mac.comm last week. Finally, Jonathan Hue
- <hue@island.com> discovered that America Online doesn't encrypt
- the userid and password when it sends them over the Internet, so a
- packet sniffer can detect them in their plaintext form. Needless
- to say, this is a bit of a security hole, not so much because it
- exists (many systems send passwords in plaintext over the
- Internet) but because users are charged for America Online access,
- and because dealing with disputed charges with America Online
- customer support folks can be an exercise in frustration. [ACE]
-
-
- Handheld TidBITS
- ----------------
- by Ashley Barnard <ashley@amug.org>
-
- Computer users of all ages and varieties have been reading and
- enjoying TidBITS for years. Now, thanks to the advent of the
- Newton MessagePad, Newton users can enjoy reading TidBITS in the
- palm of their hand! TidBITS reader Allan Marcus
- <allan_marcus@lanl.gov> uses 4D and AppleScript to convert TidBITS
- issues into Newton book format (starting with issue 200), and
- usually has each issue available within a day or so of its setext
- appearance.
-
- The Newton books have the same word-for-word text content as the
- setext files most Mac users read. On the Newton MessagePads,
- though, readers can make notes around the text, copy text to the
- common Note Pad, leap to any given page or find any text, and mark
- pages for later reference. It's also an extremely handy way to
- read each issue!
-
- Each Newton book issue of TidBITS (beginning with issue 200) can
- be found in:
-
- ftp://ftp.amug.org/pub/newton/books/tidbits-books/
- ftp://newton.uiowa.edu/pub/newton/software/mac/books/tidbits/
- http://newton.uiowa.edu/
-
-
- Apples and TV Oranges?
- ----------------------
- Pythaeus passed on some interesting information from the World-
- Wide Developers Conference that Apple held recently. Two of the
- important and somewhat related technologies that showed there
- (although one to a limited audience) were QuickTime 2.0 and ITV.
- QuickTime 2.0 sounds as though it will significantly raise the bar
- for multimedia on microcomputers, in large part due to the
- addition of a music track that stores music as notes rather than
- as sampled sound waves. The music track apparently uses a superset
- of MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital Interface - see TidBITS #176_,
- #177_, and #178_ for detailed information on MIDI) and includes a
- large set of instrument types. We'll have to wait for our sound
- mavens to see this to judge how effective it is, but because notes
- compress much better than sampled sound, QuickTime files may be
- able to contain far more audio information for their size. Access
- to the text track in QuickTime has also improved, and text can now
- be exported, which may make QuickTime files a usable format for
- electronic publishing. Also new is MPEG support, and much faster
- (or larger) playback screens. Overall, it sounds like QuickTime
- 2.0 could make some very interesting things possible.
-
- The second new technology that hasn't received much mention is
- Apple's new television set-top box. It reportedly uses a version
- of the Mac OS in ROM, a special pre-release version of QuickTime
- 2.0, and some relatively ugly hardware. Apple is using the box in
- a project with what Pythaeus called "British Television" - perhaps
- the BBC? Anyone from the U.K. seen anything about this? So as much
- as Apple may be laying low in the digital convergence hoo-hah, it
- seems that the company is not sitting still.
-
-
- TelePort Prices Drop
- --------------------
- by Mark H. Anbinder, News Editor <mha@baka.ithaca.ny.us>
- Director of Technical Services, Baka Industries Inc.
-
- TelePort modems are now cheaper, according to Global Village. The
- company, which is celebrating its position as the sole vendor with
- internal modems for the new 500-series PowerBooks, announced
- significant drops in retail price for its desktop modem line,
- effective 16-May-94.
-
- The top-of-the-line TelePort/Mercury, with v.32terbo 19,200 bps
- data capability, dropped from $399 to $349 retail, which includes
- Global Village's proprietary GlobalFax software and OCR software.
- The v.32bis (14,400 bps) TelePort/Gold dropped from $349 to $279
- (which also includes GlobalFax and the OCR software), and the v.32
- (9,600 bps) TelePort/Silver fell from $319 to $279. Prices for the
- PowerPort series of internal PowerBook modems, and for the low-end
- 2400 bps TelePort/Bronze II, remain unchanged.
-
- Confused by the identical prices for Gold and Silver models? Don't
- be. A Global Village representative explained that the company
- doesn't expect to continue selling the v.32 (9,600 bps) Silver
- model, which includes GlobalFax but lacks the OCR capability and
- is considerably slower than its shinier cousins.
-
- Another item of interest is a $100 rebate, redeemable directly
- from Global Village, when U.S. customers purchase a PowerPort or
- TelePort/Mercury or Gold modem and one of the company's new
- OneWorld Remote Access servers, through 30-Sep-94.
-
- Global Village's modems are still slightly more expensive than
- many of their competitors' products (and Practical Peripherals
- just announced broad price drops as well), but the new prices are
- more in line with other good-quality products' prices, and even
- narrow the gap with the "el cheapo" products somewhat. Global
- Village is confident that their fax software, their support, and
- their warranty make the premium price worthwhile. As an active
- user of three Global Village modems and a variety of other
- companies' modems, I've seen no reason to disagree.
-
- Information from:
- Global Village propaganda
-
-
- International Vendor Comments
- -----------------------------
- Chan's article about the problems faced by international users
- struck a chord in numerous readers, many of whom passed on
- excellent comments and additional suggestions. Along with these
- suggestions, you might wish to check out Tig Tillinghast's
- excellent article on overseas software pricing issues in TidBITS
- #168_. For those of you who work for companies that do business
- outside of the U.S., you might want to pay attention. These people
- want to buy your products - standing in their way does no one any
- good.
-
-
- **Pete Jones** <cc@smtpgate.avi.af.mil> notes that it's not just
- citizens of other countries that have difficulty dealing with U.S.
- computer companies:
- Kudos to TidBITS and Mr. Chan for highlighting the problems many
- of us have outside North America when shopping via telephone. Even
- more frustrating, though, is the number of vendors who flatly
- refuse to ship via U.S. mail. A number of us in the military count
- on U.S. mail to get us the goods, but vendors - such as Pre-Owned
- Electronics, in Massachusetts - would rather ship to our "friends
- or relatives" in the States and then have them forward things to
- us. The implication is that we're somehow not worth the trouble.
- To a young soldier or airman, this can be a disheartening - and
- sobering - experience. Shame on them!
-
-
- **Helen Sargan** <ercn81@castle.ed.ac.uk> writes:
- I agree with Mr. Chan about U.S. companies and their lack of easy
- access. You don't need to go to Malaysia to have problems! I
- would, however, emphasize the usefulness of 24-hour fax numbers if
- there is no electronic mail access (and sometimes even if there
- is). Not only does a fax allow composition time for those for whom
- English is not their first language, it allows those whose direct
- dial facilities are limited or non-existent to phone at all. In
- university environments (and many industrial ones) telephones are
- usually limited to local or national calls and to make an
- international call requires pre-arranged permission. The fax
- machine is less-frequently limited in this way, so sending for
- information is easy. It also cuts out any time-zone problems and
- usually means the answer will be back by the next day. I have
- found that some companies don't look at their electronic mail
- boxes very often, but they don't seem to avoid faxes as much.
-
-
- **Stefan Kukula** <kukula@news1.merl.kobelco.co.jp> writes:
- As an international Mac user who bought his computer in the U.K.
- nearly three years ago and then moved to Japan a year ago, I would
- like to voice my support of the views expressed by Mr. Chan in
- TidBITS #226_ regarding the poor global outlook of many U.S.
- computer software and hardware vendors. The problems aren't just
- there when you try and buy software; they're there after you've
- bought it. Technical support for foreign customers is virtually
- nonexistent. I've spent a fortune over the last few years paying
- to send in those software registration cards (no postage needed in
- the U.S.) and how many update notices have I received? Or, in
- fact, contacts of _any_ kind? One. And that was from Maxis - a
- SimCity upgrade. It's nice to see that game companies pay more
- attention to their customers than productivity companies.
-
- Not from Symantec regarding the Think C 5.0 compiler bugs. Fairly
- important, one would have thought.
-
- Not from any "serious" software supplier, despite providing
- CompuServe and Internet mail addresses. Despite being apparently
- unable to use email to tell us about upgrades they all seem to
- assume that _we_ can all use Internet or commercial services to
- learn about and obtain the necessary fixes. Well, we can't always,
- and when we can it is more expensive than in the U.S. (CIS usage
- in Japan carries a healthy surcharge). A postcard informing us of
- updates would be nice. I've never even heard officially of any
- upgrade offers - Expressionist 2.0 was upgraded without me knowing
- one month after I bought it, despite my having sent off the card.
-
- And as for technical support... U.S. manufacturers seem to imagine
- that beyond their borders there is a nameless "other country." I
- bought Norton Disk Doctor 2.0, partly because of the CIS support.
- A problem arose. They had replaced their U.K. (where I lived at
- the time) phone number with one in... Holland! I posted a question
- on their forum-and was told to telephone their "European support
- line" during office hours. They only give online tech support to
- U.S. customers. (And that's a quote!) I hope their attitude has
- changed in the last two years, but I won't buy another Symantec
- product. For many months I had the reply I received printed out
- and pinned to the wall at the office where I worked. It didn't
- encourage anyone else to buy from them either.
-
- All the cases mentioned above were "proper" imports, not on the
- grey market; a mistake on my part as perhaps that way I wouldn't
- have had to pay the strange conversion rates that seem to be used,
- and the firms concerned may have believed I was a U.S. customer
- and therefore worth bothering about.
-
- In short, if U.S. companies want to sell abroad they should start
- showing a genuine interest in non-U.S. customers, and give us the
- same level of support as their U.S. customers. I would advise all
- non U.S. customers that if they want any updates they should join
- a local user group, as it's the only way you'll get _any_ product
- support. It also means that you can warn other members of firm's
- policies.
-
- It makes me wonder. Now I live in Japan, would I get the same
- level of support if I bought a U.S. automobile?
-
- The best for tech support? Shareware authors, who seem to be much
- more switched on. I recommend products like TrashMan, Compact Pro,
- SpeedyFinder, ZTerm, and Maelstrom whose authors have provided me
- with better technical support than any of the commercial products.
- Other authors at least tell you they don't intend to give much
- technical support. It's the same as commercial software, only much
- more honest.
-
- Among the worst? Quark (special mention, on behalf of another user
- group member): "So you bought our product, legally, in the U.K.? And
- then moved, with it and the computer, to Japan? That invalidates
- the contract. Not only will we not support it, but unless you send
- it back, right now, we'll call the police, and charge you with
- software piracy. Yes, even though you haven't copied it or sold it
- or... You have to buy a Japanese one, even if it's running on a
- U.K. machine and system. Why? Because you're in **Japan**."
-
-
- **Lloyd Wood** <l.h.wood@student.lut.ac.uk> writes:
- I just read Mr. Chan's plaint in the latest TidBITS. I agree
- completely, but I would add that getting software producers to
- make their updates available to the world is something that he
- missed.
-
- Lately, I have spent a lot of my time trying to convince tech
- support people at a number of companies to make their updates
- available by posting BinHexed copies of the updaters to Macgifts.
- My pleas seem to fall on deaf ears; a typical response is "we
- maintain support forums on America Online, CompuServe and
- AppleLink - get the update from there."
-
- I have no interest in accessing these services just to get
- updates, and must bug net.acquaintances with accounts to email me
- copies of the files - which I then pass on to Macgifts when
- possible. Many non-U.S., non-English-speaking, but netted folk are
- in the same position - often we don't even know that the update
- exists until we run across a mention to it by chance. I'm trying
- to get hold of the CopyDoubler 2.0.3 Lite updater as we speak. I
- miss Salient's Internet support team.
-
- [The Info-Mac archives based at <sumex-aim.stanford.edu> and the
- massive archives at <mac.archive.umich.edu> have worked together
- to establish two Macgifts addresses at
- <macgifts@mac.archive.umich.edu> and <macgifts@sumex-
- aim.stanford.edu>. Anything sent to _either_ address will go to
- not only the two major archive sites, but various others as well,
- ensuring the widest possible distribution. If you work for a
- company that distributes updates online, please include Macgifts
- in your update distribution plans - with free updates there's no
- reason not to. -Adam]
-
-
- **David Riley** <riley@hachi.hi-tech.ac.jp> writes:
- Great to see that someone is noticing the plight of the Mac
- Majority! I'd really like to be able to call a company once in a
- while, but they tend to use 800 numbers, including Apple. I even
- went out and got a calling card from AT&T recently, which allows
- you to access those numbers from most countries. Well, the phone
- charges for about 30 minutes of time came to almost $100!
- "Aacckk," as Bill the Cat might say. Besides, you have to wade
- through about five minutes (if you're lucky and get through) of
- non-human interface before you can even start explaining your
- predicament to someone. For those of us outside of North America,
- real phone numbers, fax numbers and most of all, email addresses,
- really help out. With respect to assistance in using a product,
- though, I believe that the people on the Internet are much more
- helpful (and knowledgeable) than many of the company reps you
- might get on the phone.
-
-
- **Daniel Petit** <danpetit@halcyon.com> writes:
- True, you cannot reach 800 numbers from overseas by calling the
- regular way through your local phone company. But it is easily
- done if you use a service provider to gain access to the U.S.
- telephone network. These companies sell you, in effect, U.S. dial
- tone through intercontinental fiber optic cables and allow you to
- place a call as though you were physically in the United States.
-
- This is how it works: you reach the United States by dialing an
- international toll-free number from your country. This number
- connects you to a private telephone switching system in the United
- States. After the connection is established, you hear either a
- dial tone or a recording that prompts you to enter the number you
- wish to reach.
-
- These service providers exist mainly to offer less expensive
- international calling rates - often up to 20 percent less. But
- equally beneficial is the ability to connect to U.S. 800 numbers
- and the wide variety services that they offer - though you would
- have to pay for the call. I happen to be associated with one of
- the companies that offers this service, called Viatel
- <viatel@aol.com>. Viatel has no sign-up fee and no special
- equipment is needed. Users need only a valid international credit
- card. The service works from any phone to any phone that can be
- reached from the United States. 800 numbers are no problem.
-
- Another reputable company in this field is USA Global Link. Viatel
- and USA Global Link are known in the telecommunications industry
- as "light carriers." As opposed to traditional carriers, they do
- not own a physical transmission network but use sophisticated
- software to process calls for clients worldwide. Because Viatel
- uses fiber-optic links and digital switches, there are no delays
- nor quality degradation.
-
-
- **Bill Baldridge** <fourarts@aol.com> writes:
- Although I understand Mr. Chan's gripe, there's an easy solution -
- at least for the phone number portion - called VendorDA, which
- FourArts publishes.
-
- VendorDA lists 1,246 Macintosh (and cross-platform) vendors, with
- their main (non-800), sales (usually 800), and support/fax phone
- numbers.
-
- I have registered users from foreign countries as far afield as
- Japan, Cyprus, U.K., and Sweden, so apparently it's helpful beyond
- the bounds of the U.S., as I intended it to be. Usually, when I
- call a vendor to update their contact information, I ask for the
- non-800 specifically for foreign callers.
-
- VendorDA 1.43 (and an important updater to 1.43a) is available on
- America Online (keyword: MUT/Applications 3), and can be ordered
- directly from FourArts for US$15. [The version I could find on the
- Internet is older and has some 300 fewer entries, but is probably
- better than nothing. -Adam]
-
- ftp://mac.archive.umich.edu/mac/misc/documentation/vendorda1.42.cpt.hqx
-
-
- Fred Does Macworld Washington
- -----------------------------
- by Fred Showker <afashwkr@aol.com>
-
- It's been several years since Macworld Expo ventured into the
- nation's capital. This Expo was called the Summit, held in
- Washington D.C. May 10 - 12, and should be called the show of
- contrasts.
-
- You'll undoubtedly read other reports on Macworld Expo Summit,
- some good, some not so good, and I suspect my impressions will be
- somewhat different from most other reviewers. For me, the pleasant
- surroundings, comfortable, relaxed atmosphere, and the friendly
- attitudes made this show a pleasure.
-
- The Macworld regulars seemed compelled to compare this Macworld to
- Boston, so I will too. No, it was not Boston. It was a small show
- with nowhere near as many exhibitors or as much glitz. But, it was
- a quality show with quality displays and quality sessions.
-
- This Macworld Expo offered a unique experience. You could actually
- meet the exhibitors and play with their product offerings. I
- didn't miss the big Mac-moguls like Microsoft, La Cie, Aldus, and
- others who usually dominate the show. Show attendees had a great
- opportunity to discover little-known vendors that seldom get much
- attention in Boston and San Francisco. I signed up for several
- free magazine subscriptions including Digital Imaging Magazine,
- and Digital Video Magazine. I also picked up the latest AISB
- Glitch Report which exposes problems and "glitches" from imaging
- centers all around the country.
-
-
- **Impressions** -- I guess the threat of "government" kept many of
- the gimmick hawkers and frivolous Mac-obilia vendors away.
- Macworld Washington had the crisp tone of serious productivity.
- Network, workgroup, desktop publishing, presentations,
- connectivity and multimedia were the key words. Everyone wanted to
- sell you some power, and most had the words "PC" or "Windows"
- built into their pitch. I saw some superb presentation
- productions. Not the usual PowerPoint stuff, but some knockout
- visual displays. The "Creation, Authoring, and Development Tools"
- session with Karen Rall, Marcus Frank, Paul Gibertson and Nina
- Tovish, alone was worth the price of admission! Radius gave a
- stunning multimedia show, running real-time video with a dazzling
- display of GIF files which were actually being downloaded,
- decompressed and displayed from America Online in the background.
- Avid Technology showed their outstanding desktop video production
- system Media Suite Pro with Media Composer 1000.
-
-
- **A Publisher's Mecca** -- I'm the sort who looks for printing and
- publishing excitement. Here was something for everyone in the
- publishing biz, from the large to the small. I took a spin on
- various impressive color printers, Canon's CJ 10 desktop full-
- color copier, scanner and printer, the Tektronix Phasers, and
- Seiko's awesome new ColorPoint2. Seiko also did a nice demo of
- their ColorStic products for signs displays, iron-on products for
- T-shirts, mugs and color plaques. Kodak took the time to chat with
- me, switching from paper to overhead film to demonstrate the
- ColorEase system's capabilities to produce color overheads. The
- ColorEase, folks, is by and far the nicest color overhead printer
- I've seen to date, and it sells for under $7,000! Precision Type
- was handing out Fonts disks, and I had a nice chat with Bonnie
- Schmidt of Precision Type about their new "art" fonts. (If you
- missed the show, you'll want to call them at 800/248-3668 and see
- if they'll honor their $5.00 font sampler special.) For the high-
- end folks, the 3M Rainbow Color Proofing System was churning out
- some competition-crunching pre-press color powers. Too rich for my
- blood.
-
-
- **Art & Arts for the Artist** -- Some new clip art publishers were
- present, along with well-established ones. One Mile Up was showing
- their new line of clip art CDs, and I had the opportunity to take
- a look at their high-quality offerings, and chat with the artist.
- Nice stuff.
-
- Maps? I got my first look at Digital Wisdom's Mountain High Map
- Frontiers, an incredible collection of relief maps on CD. If you
- need maps of the world, or the oceans in wonderful, full-color
- relief, this one is stunning! If you use people in your publishing
- you'll definitely want to contact Digital Wisdom and get info on
- their new BodyShots series. Styled after the famous Fairburn
- system, and the popular concepts of figure reference books,
- BodyShots features hundreds of people posing in an amazing array
- of situations. They're all high quality photos, shot on a knock-
- out-white background. Call them at 800/800-8560.
-
- The highlight of this Macintosh show for me, however, was not a
- Mac at all. Now I can forget about the "power" PCs and "power"
- Macs. Now I know what Apple meant to deliver, but didn't. I got to
- test-drive the Indigo2 workstation from Silicon Graphics. Imagine
- selecting all, and applying a Gaussian blur to a 32-bit, full-page
- Photoshop file and have it appear the instant the mouse clicks.
- Note I said appear - not redraw. Or, imagine issuing Kai's
- Spherize command and see it as you look up at the monitor. All for
- a few dollars more than a dressed-out Power Mac. I'm saving up,
- starting today! CAUTION: Could be too fast for heart patients,
- pregnant women, or those prone to nosebleeds. [To be fair, I
- should note that although the Indigo is a great graphics
- workstation, it's just that, a Unix workstation, and your existing
- Macintosh software won't run, so you'll have to replace everything
- with the Indigo-specific versions of programs like Photoshop or
- completely different Indigo programs. -Adam]
-
-
- Reviews/23-May-94
- -----------------
-
- * MacWEEK -- 16-May-94, Vol. 8, #20
- Global Village OneWorld -- pg. 41
- EfiColor Works 1.0 -- pg. 41
- StrataVision 3d 3.0 -- pg. 46
- Super7 Utilities 2.0 -- pg. 48
-
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